Gor
меня б кто вылечил :(
будем держаться вместе на этом сайте. Как клуб анонимных алкоголиком :))
Типа если вместе и не скрывать болезнь, то может попустить
Gor
ну, я не знаю что тут делать. если не критически, то и забей :)
Gor
очень сильное отождествление с мышлением. растождествиться можно только став тоньше мышления.
а тут без вариантов. Тоньше мышления есть только несколько вещей — я так думаю
присутствие и ещё одна. так, что слегонца взмедетнуть самое то в этом случае
Так я это вижу
Gor
вот-вот :) Что я рыжий что ли?
Gor
не. всегда предохранитель срабатывает — иду к холодильнику или в магазин. всё как рукой снимает
Gor
не, не, не… я материалист до мозга костей — у меня оч. устойчивая картина мира.
Ну и питаюсь я хорошо, так что видимо там все эти микроэлементы в достатке
Gor
бог миловал.
обычные страхи есть. невроз обычный тоже есть.
панически атак пока не было :(
Gor
хм. вроде и обидно сказал, но даже не знаю на что обидится :)
Gor
Ну отношения с резиновыми куклами я ещё понимаю. И даже отношения с сознанием я тоже понимаю. Но с табуретом…
А как это «табурет с табуретом» и ещё с «ладно со стамеской»?
Gor
отношения с табуретами
Gor
Ясно. Спасибо
Gor
Заинтересовал. Поэтому и полез в вики читать о этом учителе.
Извини, больше в этой теме не могу писать ибо завязываю с флудом здесь
Gor
ОК. Слушаюсь и повинуюсь
Gor
Ну как-то странно один из уровней развернулся — в алкоголь, курение и… как бы это поделикатней… свободу от предрассудков о сексе :)
Gor
В том-то и прикол. Я почитал немного его тексты. Это реально круто
Gor
Коллега, я прикалываюсь. Без всяких злых умыслов.
Gor
The poet W. S. Merwin had arrived at the Naropa Institute that summer and been told by Allen Ginsberg that he ought to attend the seminary. Although he had not gone through the several years' worth of study and preparatory mind training required, Merwin insisted on attending and Trungpa eventually granted his request – along with Merwin's girlfriend. At seminary the couple kept to themselves. At the Halloween party, after many, including Trungpa himself, had taken off their clothes, Merwin was asked to join the event, but refused. On Trungpa's orders, his Vajra Guard forced entry into the poet's locked and barricaded room; brought him and his girlfriend, Dana Naone, against their will, to the party; and eventually stripped them of all their clothes, with onlookers ignoring Naone's pleas for help and for someone to call the police


Тертон явно знал, как хорошо провести Хелоуин
Gor
...she said she would not have declined, considering that in the higher stages of Tibetan Buddhist tantra, sexual relations (especially with tertöns) are a means of enhancing spiritual insights.
Буга-га-га!!!
Gor
Trungpa's own teaching style was often unconventional. In his own words, «When we talk about compassion, we talk in terms of being kind. But compassion is not so much being kind; it is being creative to wake a person up.» He did not encourage his students to imitate his own behavior, and was troubled by those who felt empowered by his example to do whatever they wanted and manipulate people. As the third Jamgön Kongtrül explained to Trungpa's students, «You shouldn't imitate or judge the behavior of your teacher, Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, unless you can imitate his mind.»

Trungpa's sexuality has been one of the sources of controversy, as he cultivated relations with a number of his female students. Tenzin Palmo, who met him in 1962 while he was still at Oxford, did not become one of his consorts, refusing his advances because he had presented himself as «a pure monk.» But had she known Trungpa had been having sexual relations with women since he was 13, she said she would not have declined, considering that in the higher stages of Tibetan Buddhist tantra, sexual relations (especially with tertöns) are a means of enhancing spiritual insights. Trungpa formally renounced his monastic vows in 1969.

Trungpa was also known for smoking tobacco and for liberal use of alcohol; many who knew him characterized him as an alcoholic. He began drinking occasionally shortly after arriving in India. Before coming to the US, Trungpa drove a sports car into a joke shop in Dumfries, Scotland.While his companion was not seriously injured, Trungpa was left partially paralyzed. Later, he described this event as a pivotal moment that inspired the course of his teachings. Some accounts ascribe the accident to drinking. Others suggest he may have had a stroke. According to Trungpa himself, he blacked out.

Trungpa often combined drinking with teaching. David Chadwick recounts:

Suzuki [Roshi] asked Trungpa to give a talk to the students in the zendo the next night. Trungpa walked in tipsy and sat on the edge of the altar platform with his feet dangling. But he delivered a crystal-clear talk, which some felt had a quality – like Suzuki's talks – of not only being about the dharma but being itself the dharma.
In some instances Trungpa was too drunk to walk and had to be carried. Also, according to his student John Steinbeck IV and his wife, on a couple of occasions Trungpa's speech was unintelligible.One woman reported serving him «big glasses of gin first thing in the morning.»

The Steinbecks wrote a sharply critical memoir of their lives with Trungpa in which they claim that, in addition to alcohol, he used $40,000 a year worth of cocaine, and used Seconal to come down from the cocaine. The cocaine use, say the Steinbecks, was kept secret from the wider Vajradhatu community.
Gor
Почитал немного о этом учителе-бухарике

In 2006 his wife, Diana Mukpo, wrote, «Although he had many of the classic health problems that develop from heavy drinking, it was in fact more likely the diabetes and high blood pressure that led to abnormal blood sugar levels and then the cardiac arrest». But in a November 2008 interview, when asked «What was he ill with? What did he die of?,» Trungpa's doctor, Mitchell Levy, replied, «He had chronic liver disease related to his alcohol intake over many years.» One of Trungpa's nursing attendants reported that he suffered in his last months from classic symptoms of terminal alcoholism and cirrhosis, yet continued drinking heavily. She added, «At the same time there was a power about him and an equanimity to his presence that was phenomenal, that I don't know how to explain.»

Trungpa is reported to have remained in a state of samādhi for five days after his death, his body not immediately decaying and his heart remaining warm.[44] His body was packed in salt, laid in a wooden box, and conveyed to Karmê Chöling. A number of observers have reported that his cremation there on May 26, 1987, was accompanied by various atmospheric effects and other signs traditionally viewed as marks of enlightenment. These included the appearance of rainbows, circling eagles, and a cloud in the shape of an Ashe.

Этого я не могу понять. Как человек может быть алкашом и тертоном? :(